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Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:50:00 U.S. Muslims assess state of Iraq
By Nyier Abdou, Star-Ledger Staff
Shi'a leaders in the U.S. are cautiously optimistic about political changes in Iraq and have called the naming of Shi'a politician Jawad al-Maliki as Iraq's new prime minister part of the nation's fledgling democratic process. Speaking at a Shi'a awareness seminar at Rutgers University's Busch Campus Center in Piscataway, Sheik Husham al-Husainy said former Prime Minister Ibrahim Al-Jaafari's decision to step aside was "democratic change." Husainy, director of the Karbalaa Islamic Education Center in Dearborn, Mich., is an associate of both Maliki and Jaafari's.
"This is democracy, we have to give it (a) chance," Husainy, a Baghdad native, told a gathering of students and community leaders. "In Iraq, we have all the elements to make a democracy. "It might be a long way. It might be costly, but in the end, I think democracy will win."
Until now, however, "opportunities for creating democracy in Iraq have failed," Husainy said.
"It's really bad in Iraq," he said, noting his family members, who encompass both Shi'a and Sunni Muslims, are still in Baghdad. "Bodies in the streets -- blood in the streets. The country is gone. Iraq is destroyed."
Syed Meesam Razvi called for heightened awareness of the historical persecution of Shi'as. Razvi spoke on behalf of Sheikh Fadhel al-Sahlani, head of the Imam Al-Khoei Foundation in New York and the representative of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in North America.
Razvi said Shi'as were victimized under Saddam Hussein's Iraq and also as minorities in other countries such as Afghanistan and on the Indian subcontinent.
In an interview, Razvi, Al-Khoei's representative to the United Nations, said Sahlani also viewed the political change in Iraq as democracy at work.
"It's a fact on the ground that Jaafari has not been able to deliver," Razvi said, adding Jaafari is a "nice person."
"He was a very popular candidate (but now) they want to bring a new person -- a new face," Razvi said. Maliki, he said, doesn't have Jaafari's accumulated "baggage."
INTERFAITH DIALOGUE
Yesterday's event was held on the two-month anniversary of the bombing of the Askariya shrine in Samarra, one of Shi'a Islam's holiest shrines. Images of the so-called Golden Mosque served as the backdrop to speakers. Among the speakers were political activists and community leaders from Shi'a groups and other religions, including Allyson Gall, executive director of the New Jersey American Jewish Committee in Millburn, and the Rev. Philip Latronico of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese in Newark.
Organizers stressed the event was an opportunity to raise awareness of Shi'a identity and to provide a forum for Muslims to speak out against terrorism.
"We're using the Iraq situation as a backdrop for an interfaith dialogue," said organizer Hasan Rizvi, of the group Message of Peace in Bloomfield. "The dialogue that can be gained here can be applied anywhere."
"I think this is a wake-up call," said co-organizer Sausan Merali, a pharmacy graduate student by day and social activist by night. The Saddle Brook native said Muslims have to speak louder to spread the word that "terrorism belongs to no religion."
"There's such a need now to just bring awareness of true Islam," Merali said. "I don't think al Qaeda are Muslims at all."
Participants said Iraq needed to be pulled from the brink of sectarian strife.
"I think people all around the world need to come to the realization that we're all similar in an unconventional way," said Sumaiya Virji, 16, a student at Ridge High School in Basking Ridge. Virji, an active public speaker, said the significance of the event was to galvanize people to go out and raise awareness.
"In the Iraq that I know, Iraqis didn't identify themselves as Sunni or Shi'a or even Muslim or Christian," said Hadani Ditmars, a Canadian journalist who has been covering Iraq for several years since the first Gulf War. "It was a very secular society." |
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Your Comments: From: Syed Meesam Razvi
Subject: Re: Fattin Response
Comment: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:39:47 - Al-Khoei Foundation is helping a lot of needy families in various countries. Most of this work is conducted through the network of Marjaea.
Anyone in need of help should contact the local representative of Marjaea.
Wassalam.
From: Ali Naqvi
Subject: Fattin Response
Comment: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:09:54 - Fattin, we feel your pain. How can we help you and the Ammeria victims that you referred to. Meesam, is there an Al-khoei sponsored fund for helping the Iraqi victims? Has anyone from Al-Khoei contacted Fattin? If there is a way to help the victims, I am sure many including myself would be interested in helping.
From: Ali Naqvi
Subject: Shias and Sunnis as Two (Very Different) Nations
Comment: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:56:36 - Shias social psychology is shaped by the following three concepts that are heavily influenced by almost retarded, irrational, masochistic, and self humiliating philosophies. 1) Doctrine of Fatalistic Persecution: Shias exist so that other nations, and particularly Sunnis can conveniently indulge themselves in shedding Shia blood and destroying Shia property. 2) Doctrine of Me Too: Shias, have an overwhelming desire to be considered as part of the Muslim Ummah and hence the tendency to go out of their way to accommodate others. They force their entry upon the 90% majority that really treats them as unworthy and unneeded distraction rather than equals in religion 3) Doctrine of Misunderstood Patience: A long history of persecution has left deep scars and hence Shias tend to equate self degradation with patience. Right to live is viewed as betraying Ummah. Shias confuse demanding security and freedom with sectarianism. Asking Sunnis to stop Shias killing, to give equal rights to Shia citizens, to stop destroying Shia property and to stop committing horrendous crimes towards Shias is not sectarianism. Holding Sunni leaders, politicians, governments and scholars responsible for encouraging and justifying crimes against Shias is not treason. It is the truth.
Sunnis on the other hand have unequivocally disregarded Shias as Muslims, have passed fatwas to kill Shias, and are committing organized genocide. Their leaders have made it clear that their goals and intentions are not just murder – they are aiming for complete annihilation. They have also made it clear that Shias can only exist in Sunni lands as second class citizens. More than 1 million Shias have been killed in the last 25 years. In one decade almost 10% of all Shia young males were killed by Sunni extremism or imposed wars.
Consequently, believing in Sunni reformation and Shia/Sunni reconciliation is only a fallacy, a lie, a myth. The cost of holding such an erroneous belief any longer and defying the historical evidence is foolish.
Shias, instead of trying to lead the Ummah, must first focus on their security. They must make sure that every Shia, regardless of his or her nationality is safe and secure. They must make sure that Shias all over the world are free and within their respective nations have equal access to opportunities. The advent of the twenty first century demands freedom – both from external oppressors and internally held self-defeating beliefs. It is the time to acknowledge not the commonality but the differences among Shias and Sunnis. Sunnis must learn to accept Shias as equals. Two parties can be different and yet live together and respect each other.
Shias and Sunnis are two different nations, two different ideologies and two different philosophies. The differences among Shias and Sunnis are widely apparent now than ever before. But before anyone talks about Shia/Sunni unity, or foolishly dreams of Sunni reformation, or thinks about Shia/Sunni collaboration – I would demand a guarantee from all Sunni led nations to provide safety and security for Shias living in their countries and to give equal rights to them as other citizens have. Is it too much to ask for?
God bless America and congratulations to everyone on Zarqawi termination. One less Saudi sponsored terrorist to worry about.
From: Nushirvan
Subject: Let histroy remind extreme sunnis when YAJID celebrated & drunk liquor after 40th day of the marterdom of Sayyidina Husain!
Comment: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 02:27:20 - For me the issue of Sunni & Shi'i should not be magnified. Simply, because this would benifit only those who have self interest to maintain in power, for luxury and material form. Extreme Sunnis & their leaders will always learn from Yazid, who would facilitate and inspire someone to perform un-islamic act such terrorism and even to murder his fellow brothers. This is existing now in most Sunni states, particulalry among the Saudis (e.g Usama Bin Ladin). Extreme SUNNIS are indirectly killing their fellow Muslim brothers, but the outcome and the consequences of their actions will inflict to the Muslim ummah in general. Thus, polemic on Sunni/Shi'i in our contemporary time should not be given emphasis as what had persisted during the time of Yazid. In contrast, We the Shi'i Muslims, we always adhered to peace and tranquility, we denounce terrorism and as possible to avoid conflict with anyone in this world, particulalry the non-Muslims.
From: Fattin
Subject: Please have somebody help us
Comment: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:00:26 - In the name of GOD.....
We need urgent help from the muslims and shi'a that just talk and cry and do nothing for our familys whom they kills day after days from the sunnys specially in Ammeria in the most bigoted and their is no discouragement or restraint from anybody and there is mosques there that delivered to prayer (Wahbi) , daily paper for the list of names that must be killed in this days..is that Islam..we hate every weakly muslims specialty the partiy that call for truce or quit and many Shia child and women killed by a bad people and if you need more details for the killers i can to lead you to the evidance ..please do'nt ignored my message and we need solution,We know our GOD say:"ولكم في الحياة قصاص يا اولي الالباب"
From: Nushirvan
Subject: Let's use al-Qur'an as a means to stop dichotomy between Us & Sunni
Comment: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:49:17 - The Sunni world, particulalrly the Saudism & Wahhabism, they should accept Shi'ism is more Islamic in practice, closely related to the Prophet's (Muhammad) tradition. Now the Muslim world should be united, learn from what had happened to Iraq and Afghanistan. Let us stop discrimination and killing among us Muslims. Let us prepare ourselves to help preserve Islamic Legacy in IRAN, let the enemy of Islam feel that Muslim today are united to resist against them. At this point of time, we Muslims, Shi'i, Sunni, or whatever sects they belonged as long as they believe in Allah, Prophet Muhammad & Sayyidina Ali (PBUH), the rest of our imams and Muslim leaders of the past & present, Let us stop factionalism, let us be united. We are all MUSLIM, we beleive in peace and harmony with everone.
From: Ali Naqvi
Subject: Persecution
Comment: Sat, 06 May 2006 20:19:39 - I don't think Meesam misrepresented. While I don't deny that Pakistan has significantly more Shia persecution, one should be concerned about each and every Shia life destroyed by terrorism - whether it was bombing in Pakistan by Sunni extremists or mass killing in Indian Gujrat by Hindu fundamentalists - there is a need to find a safe place for Shias living all over the world.
From: Syed Meesam Razvi
Subject: misrepresentation?
Comment: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:08:40 - Salamun Alaikum Br. Ali,
For your information "Indian Subcontinent" is a broad term that includes India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan, usually also Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and some disputed territory currently controlled by China, and sometimes Myanmar and that is what I was referring to. Indeed, majority persecution is taking place in Pakistan and we have conveyed it to Pakistani Ambassador very recently. Details here: http://al-huda.al-khoei.org/news/63/ARTICLE/1130/2006-03-09.html
Thanks.
From: Ali
Subject: misrepresentation by Mesum Razvi
Comment: Thu, 04 May 2006 01:53:10 - "Razvi said Shi'as were victimized under Saddam Hussein's Iraq and also as minorities in other countries such as Afghanistan and on the Indian subcontinent."
It is ridiculous that you would insinuate that Shias are "victimized" in India. You are seriously misinformed to make such a comment, and it shows your inability to keep up with current events.
Shias are very happy in India and find the freedom to practice their religious rites without the fear of suicide bombings, masjid attacks, etc. India also has the only shia law board where shias have a voice and representation in the government, something which is not unique for a country where muslims are the minority.
It is amazing how you would take reference to Afghanistan & India as countries where shias are "victimized", but fail to mention the place where the majority of shias are persecuted: PAKISTAN.
It is remarkable how shias, particularly those of the pakistani origin, fail to realize how much religious freedom is in India. There are azadari zulooses held in every region of India with no dispute compared to those catastrophic ones in pakistan, and unfortunately in present day iraq.
In India there is a clear identification of the enemies of islam. In India the persecution of Shias for 1400 years is exposed to the public.
The most astonishing point of your fabricated statement is that the majority of pakistan has roots from india.
From: Yadullah
Subject: Truth
Comment: Wed, 03 May 2006 21:31:37 - Al's arugment is clearly justified well with facts. As much as it is a one sided argument by Al, it is a one sided persecution of Shias by Sunnis.
From: Ali Naqvi
Subject: More Analysis
Comment: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:25:14 - Has any Shia organization or religious scholar ever suggested or even hinted at killing Sunnis? Can you find one Shia text that says it is ok to kill Sunnis? Has any Ayatullah ever passed a fatwa suggesting Sunni persecution? You wouldn't find any because these things are not part of Shia teachings. You can find numerous examples of Sunni leaders, scholars, texts, organizations and even states directly ordering their Sunni followers to kill Shias.Instead of outlining Shia crimes, Sunnis should fix their own institutionalized and deeply entrenched ideologies of hate. Need ideas: start by understanding the message of Prophet.
From: Ali Naqvi
Subject: Sectarian Outlook - Response to Mustafa
Comment: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:08:02 - As soon as the Wahabi money left Saudi Arabia and was deployed to pollute simple minded Sunnis by transforming them into killer machines spreading terror all over the world, Shias became the most sought after prey. From Malaysia to Mecca, Shia massacre and persecution acquired the status of Sunni religious obligation. Today, Shias are somehow expected to forget all that and share the blame for cruelties and hideous crimes committed by these Sunni philosophies. Let me remind everyone that it weren't Shias who 1) bombed WTC/Pentagon 2) created the inhumane Taliban group 3) created terrorist organizations all over the world 4) killed over 2400 American soldiers in Iraq 5) are spreading a message of hate and terror all over the world 6) destroyed the image of Islam and 7) are continuing daily suicide bombs against innocent humans. All of that came from Sunni extremism. It weren’t Shia philosophies that were twisted to legitimize the killing of innocent humans – they were Sunni doctrines. One doesn't have to go far to find recent Sunni texts that prescribe Shia persecution as a religious obligation. But has any Sunni government deplored, condemned, or criticized these organizations and their philosophies? Would Saudi Arabian government and Saudi religious scholars be willing to issue an official statement condemning global Shia persecution? They wouldn’t. But Shias, that make up less than 10% of the total global Islamic population and who have been long victimized by the 90% majority, are labeled as “sectarians” even when they want to peacefully separate. Sunnis don’t want Shias to live in Sunni countries and they don’t want Shias to have their own country. Their expectation is to keep Shias in a never ending state of hopelessness where Shias can be victimized, ridiculed and persecuted while perpetuating their own extremist philosophies and dictatorial regimes.
A separate Shia state is not a statement of sectarianism; it is only an acknowledgement of what Sunnis have been demanding for a long time. It is only a reaction to the ongoing Sunni yearning: to get rid of Shias from their lands. When Shias move to their own state, extremist Sunnis can live happily ever after. Of course, they’d have to find new people to kill.
I’d welcome a non-sectarian outlook, particularly if it is initiated by a Sunni government or by a noteworthy Sunni scholar. The newly proposed Shia state should welcome Shias from all over the world. It should be a democracy and should be based upon a constitution as powerful as of our great country the United States of America. As recent bombing in (Karachi )Pakistan shows, real and moderate Sunnis would soon need a country of their own.
From: Mustafa
Subject: Sectarianism
Comment: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:35:30 - Al Naqvi has given a most bias and sectarian analysis indeed. Although he points out rightly that Shias have suffered under Saddam, he curiously forgets that Sunni religious heads were similiarly stiffled, some even executed. Furthermore, the current atmosphere is no less influenced by Shias as it is by Sunnis. Namely, the oppression thousands of Sunnis face at the hands of their own "government" and the blatant extra-judicial killings carried out by Shias against innocent Sunnis. Why doesn't Mr. Al Naqvi mention this? Perhaps because of his sectarian mind, and sectarian outlook. Unfortunately he is only adding to the shrill voices that are propogating the same lies that it is only the Sunnis that are to blame, and the Shias are as pure as the driven snow.
From: Al Naqvi
Subject: Myth of a Secular Iraq
Comment: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:52:21 - I'd like to address this common misunderstanding about Iraq being a secular state. The fact that Iraq didn’t follow Sharia law doesn’t necessarily make it a secular state. The standard definition of secular is “not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body” – yet it is clear that religious affiliations played a strong role for creating two very different identities in Iraq. It is easy to observe that Saddam had strong allegiance to Sunnis and in fact enjoyed broad support from Sunni dominant Arab nations throughout the Iran-Iraq war. For the most part Shias were not allowed to fully practice their religion in Iraq, were not allowed to assume positions of influence, and were persecuted for decades. The biggest evidence of Iraqi regime being influenced by Sunnism is the fact that upon Saddam’s removal, Iraqi Sunnis are particularly uncomfortable under new democracy. It was nothing but the deeply entrenched ideological differences between Shias and Sunnis that rapidly sparked the Sunni outrage against Shias.
Unfortunately, our soldiers are now in the middle of this war fueled by centuries of Sunni abhorrence for Shias that has been a prominent feature of the socio-political arena of that region. American blood is being sacrificed to protect Shias and Kurds from Sunni extremism. Our overly simplistic solution of somehow making people live together under democracy is deceptively immature. Democracy requires existence of strong institutions, it needs years of political training, and it is built upon the intellectual commitment of both those who govern and those who are governed. I think it is clear that in Iraq we have observed restraint, maturity and moderation only from Shias and particularly from Ayatollah Sistani. His actions clearly demonstrate that peace and moderation are important elements of Shia teachings – in fact the key features that differentiate Shiaism from other sects of Islam. Sunnis have yet to demonstrate that their religious philosophies can endure the demands of civilized modernity without resorting to violence.
I’d love to see a secular, democratic and progressive Iraq but only if that can be accomplished in a reasonable timeframe and without any further loss of American soldiers. Our country has sacrificed enough to get Iraq to this point. Iraqis right to freedom has been granted to them. If they cannot resolve their differences then like a failed marriage – maturity lies in accepting this reality. Norway and Sweden separated in 1905; Canada recently considered splitting into two parts. If hostility and violence shows no sign of settling down then wisdom demands choosing a divorce over an unhealthy and forced union. If Iraqis can’t resolve their differences, they need to be split into two Iraqs – the Shia Iraq and the Sunni Iraq. If everything else fails, autonomy may bring lasting peace in that region. Our soldiers have liberated Iraq from Saddam and if Sunni extremists want to blow themselves up for Saddam, they can do that in their part of Iraq. At least Shias can live peacefully on their side and most importantly our soldiers can return home. A healthy separation is million times better than an agonizing union.
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